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Class discussions!

  For the last 47 years, I have been teaching about history, govt., economics, culture round the globe. And I have been teaching senior citizens in a class over the last 25 or so years covering all these topics. It is amazing how much seniors have experienced. Over the years I have had teachers, coaches, engineers, newspaper media people and many of the seniors have come from other nations. Politics, elections, the economy, foreign affairs and even religion have come up in our discussions. It is amazing to me just how many of the seniors have had so much contact with the unsavory in our society and also the best. I have had military people as well as cops represented in the classes. I even have had some ministers. So many of us today think that our nation is in bad shape but others think the best is yet to come.  I get very tired of the media trying to talk down American: whether it is our economy, our health care or military institutions. There are lots of things flawed in America. We still have racial divisions, and our educational system is really a disaster. But, Americans have always been optimistic. Even these seniors are optimistic though many of them are in their 80's.  As a senior myself, I am always like Scarlett O'Hara. ' After all, tomorrow is another day.'  We are the greatest next year nation in the world.  Yet, yet, there are signs that our nation is close to vast changes which will not be in line with our Constitution, our heritage, our history or our economic systems.  There is a good chance that our system will turn to be a socialist pacifist system unlike anything that this nation has seen in any of our isolationist eras.  Dependency on the Government and victimhood seems to be riding high nowadays.  It is not good for this nation to lose faith in itself, its foundations and even in its Creator.  Yet more and more we see this happening. Churches don't seem to be making much impact on this malaise. And politicians, well, they are politicians. Calls for hope and change without telling us what that means frankly scares me. One thing I know is this. A lack of faith in ourselves, our heritage and our Creator will destroy us a sure as an Islamofascist suicide bomber.
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Reading the blogs , news media on Obama stories

  Very, very recently, the media, especially in Europe (Britain) have had some interesting if odd stories about Obama, his father, his supporters and Kenya.  There are also blogs now filled with facts that seem to say that Obama is not who he says he is and that his background is very suspect.  Now we all know that CNN, MSNBC are in the tank for the Democrat Party. It will be interesting to see if these and other news channels plus Cable plus the mainstream media such as the WAPO and Boston Globe for instance, will run any of these so called facts from the European media and the blogs that are now in the thousands.  Chicago is a nortorious city when it comes to political families, ward politics, corruption, voting the dead and illegals. Someone in that city saw Obama in his formative years with his community Saul Alinsky type community activism. He is bright, handsome and articulate. Even Senator Biden mentioned that!!But who is he and what does he really support in ideas, ideology and agendas?  Many black posters on blogs are furious that the media is finally awaking to its responsibility of investigating all politicians not just conservatives, Christians, or Republicans! Even the sacrosanct Hillary is finally really being looked at last by the liberal media as well as other types of media. Obama should be no exception. I think America is ready for a competent female or black or yellow or brown  American citizen to be President. But competent is the key word. Empty suits and people who lie about their credibility are not quite what fair Americans want in their President. Above all for many, the President must have some respect for our military and want to protect our national security and our borders.  For instance, we all know that M. Thatcher of Britain was competent, tough and funny plus she was known as the Iron Lady. Perhaps that day will come for the USA but it has not happened yet. And Obama is not the black candidate the USA needs. Being a socialist pacifist , though bright and articulate, is not what America needs in this time of facing Islamofascism. We are still a democratic republic with free enterprise capitalism as our economic core. It seems to me that neither Clinton or Obama would ensure that that heritage would grow and prosper. There will be othe blacks and females coming along. But, these two do not fit the bill for leadership, competence or strength to guild this nation now.
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Does sin matter in politics anymore?

 Well Easter is over but we sure do not have any repentance from our politicians for their behavior. We all know that sex and corruption have always been a part of our electoral process both nationally and locally.  Still, it wasn't that long ago when I remember that if a pol was exposed as a sinner, a corrupt sexually active person with someone other than their spouse, that would be the death knell for their campaign. Perhaps Clinton started it with the idea that sex is not important to one's affairs of state. The media has always covered up for Democrats and we know that since FDR, JFK and even LBJ.  Any Pub caught in a tough situation has always been given the bum's rush by the MSM.  Harding, Nixon, they even tried with IKE, even poor Jerry Ford and his clumsiness, Reagan for just being Reagan, and of course, the two Bushies. The media covered for Bubba and boy howdy they took after Foley, Craig, but forgave Studds, Frank, and would have covered but were forced to pursue Obama and his nutter pastor, Patterson of NY and Spitzer before him and now we have the dunce in Detroit, old Kwame! Well Foley is gone, Craig is gone, Frank is still around as is Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd and other sex and sandwich guys!! Well, it seems that character may or may not count anymore.  It will depend by November if any more scandals rise up to tar and feather any of these politicians.  Yeah, I know Ben Franklin was  roue. But over all, the Founders while imperfect knew that they were in the serious business of Independence and victory and drawing up a Constitution. These people today fret over driver's licenses for illegals, gay rights, abortion rights, taking away guns from legal American citizens, legalization of drugs like Mary Jane! Boy what a difference in the morality, the authority from which these people draw inspiration. And to be frank, the attack on our Judeo-Christian heritage began when liberals tried contextual criticism of the Bible  in the 1890's in Germany and liberalism crept across to the USA with its socialist pacifism undermining American  values such as free enterprise, individualism, a demoratic republic and less government. As liberalism undermined our systems, education, government, economics, it also undermined our morals with secular humanistic relativism. It is bearing bitter fruit today when sin , yes, sin, no longer seems to matter to voters or so it seems. We get what we deserve.
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Race, religion, cultural double standards in America;AGAIN!

   Here we go again.  I am 69 and for all of the years that I have followed politics and culture, and that really began when I was 15, the liberal culture-media-educrats-religionists-pols always dissed America, our Judeo-Christian heritage, Western civilization with such vehemence and often hate that forces a double standard of evaluation, criticism, and acceptance on most Americans.  Whether it is sex with the Clintons, now Spitzer, McGreevey, and some Republicans like Foley, Biblical warnings now fall on mostly deaf ears. Whether it is race, now with the hating Wright vis a vis the Obama campaign and his deaf ear to it until he makes a speech on race to save his now questioned campaign, race has always been touchy in America. People may remember how the black community felt about the innocence and guilt of OJ. 85% of blacks thought he was innocent. 85% of whites thought OJ was guilty. This mirrors almost every topic the two racial groups vote on, look at, write about or believe. Almost the exact opposite on all of these issues. And the liberal media never fails to point that out while at the same time blaming whites for their bias rarely ever calling some black opinions or actions biased. That is a double standard. And it is getting worse and more dangerous each and every year. The brainwashing of our kids by most of the liberal universities still goes on and many double standards fill their minds with anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-capitalism, anti-Republican views. A huge double standard. The media treats conservatives as oddities and evil while liberals are noble and compassionate. That this  tripe is so obvious in rhetoric and standards and words in America that surely  this should mean something to America's idea of truth and fairness. But so far, it hasn't and we shall see if America will take an incompetent black man whose rhetoric soars but whose wisdom and liberalism is just too socialistic and pacifistic to protect America. We shall see very very soon.

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Morality, integrity, law breaking, a double standard?

  Here we are again in a national sex scandal with a Democrat. Now remember, Foley, Craig were Pubs and both were hated, pilloried and guys like Livinstone, Newt, DeLay all were asked to go. Craig has hung on but he is toast anyhow. So now we have a NY Dem, Spitzer who may or may not have broken a federal law. Suppose that the Call girl foundation was really infested by criminals and that transfering monies were really illegal as well as the Mann Act being broken with Spitz sending dough to the beauty to come to NY?  Is that a crime that should be prosecuted?  And if he President can have sex and get away with it, is that a crime that should have been prosecuted?  Is there a double standard when prosecuting crimes, sexual, monies, bribes or not?   There seems to be but the public doesn't seem to care as long as Republicans get the shaft. Actually both political parties have their criminals. Look at Barney Franks. But gay sex is somehow excused. Except if it is a Republican like Foley or Craig.  It is time to prosecute all, yes, all of these bums. Liberals are sanctimonious and they think they can get away with criminal acts as long as they say they care for the people.  Where is the personal responsibility that Americans used to believe in?  Liberalism over the decades has whittled it away and I am afraid , for good. Republicans don't seem to want to prosecute these type of political party sins of action as well as judgement.  Away with all of them.  There must be politicians who still care for responsible actions and words. This nation still must have honorable people who can keep their pants zipped and the bras on. There must be some people who actually want free enterprise, capitalism, democratic republicanism and honor to survive in legislation and rhetoric.  America's heritage demands it and deserves it. It is time once more to call sodomy, adultery, fornication sins. No compromise. No trying to avoid, shade or rationalize it. Every pol who gets caught in these sins and are open to blackmail, should resign and not in the next few months. Immediately. Liberals love Europe and their casual feelings and thoughts about sin. We should be above those pacifist pagan socialists. American should be better and we better show it soon or lose our liberties, freedoms and our souls.
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What is America really thinking about?

  All the polls show now that Americans are thinking about how poor the economy is.  Then there is Iraq.  Then the overall problem of terroism. Then there is illegal immigration.   Say where are those thought about our culture? What about morality? What about educational values? What happened to all those supposed values voters?   Well, they are still here but apparently they are not registering nowadays in the Presidential field as they once did. Perhaps it is because all the values candidates lost!  Perhaps our culture is not filled with that Silent Majority anymore. Perhaps the Evangelicals are not registering as much as they used to do in their call for decency, morality, ethics. We now see that good and evil are defined by 'save the whales, save the environment, recycle, Global Warming and Non-Judgementalism.'  The two political parties have people that many Evangelicals cannot get excited about. After all, the liberals in this nation have done all they could to drive values out of schools, have used Courts to decide against morals, have made the media arbiters of policy. One wonders whether this will go on without some tipping point being reached where we really look like Europe after all. Or even a Third World nation. Now liberals would say and write that anti-war policies, pacifism, socialism is really Godly. They would warn against American superiority in military matters or even economic matters since the rich in this nation must be penalized. Gibbons in the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire and other writers warn of nations or empires where the non-producers outnumber the producers, that society is nearing collapse or the rise of a dictator to keep the place together. One wonders as Islamofascism still raises its ugly head on a daily level all round the globe why so many of our youth spend their time at the mall. Testing scores are not improving. Murders are starting to make TV news ghastly every night. But, brother, we have stopped all that prayer in schools and stopped that patriotism stuff!! And our media is filled with slop each day and night. We have HDTV with 250 stations and yet there is little family fare there. Oh well, most people live as if this is either a replay of the Roaring 20's, the Depression, or the radical '60's. So we either are going to live it up , allow the government to run our lives and redistribute our hard earned monies or we are in for a revolution. No wonder the early Christians wanted Jesus to come back in their own time!
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Education as an issue in the Nov. election?

  Lately, in my locality, there has been a real uproar about the local Teacher's Union , its possible corruption, its very powerful impact in the upcoming Board of Education election and how the public should react.  It is odd that education is not the big issue for the Democrats as it usually is.  Republicans rarely talk about it but they should.  For instance, they could bring up the fact that the NEA, CTA here in Ca., and our local union, TALB are just flacks for the DNC as far as a political party and liberalism as far as curriculum.  The teachers' union gives a huge amount of money to Dems.   They influence the state Boards to make the curriculum look like a liberal universtities' offerings. They force students to accept the Global Warming nonsence. They force pupils to accept that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle.  They force students to tolerate the intolerable such as dressing like Muslims and taking their historical stances as truth. The force teachers to teach feminism, minority history without blemishes, as well as liberal views on historical trends rather than any conservative viewpoints. Ronald Reagan may get a page in history books, but FDR gets a whole chapter with JFK as the best President in history. What bias!  The teachers are the largest lobbying group in the USA, but the Media rarely mentions that. Talk about earmarks for that education industry!!! Pubs should be able to also convince teachers that the socialism and pacifism that is often taught is a deathblow to our free enterprise and republican democratic system. That many new teachers are avowed liberals and socialists and no one seems to ever question them is a sad day. Yet conservatives, if any exist in the state and local areas are often made fun of and ignored as intellectual partners in the table of open minded educational debate. It is galling. And it is brainwashing at its worst.  If the schools were run by Pubs and the Right, and they brainwashed, we would expect an uproar. But when liberals now run the educational system, the media and educational experts as well as the public hardly raise a comment.  Something has to be done or our pupils will grow up to be little socialists without realizing that they themselves are undermining our historically good educational system where internally our nation will collapse into a Third World status.
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The New York Slimes

  It should not be new to conservative , Republican, Christian and values voters that the New York Times is a smear artist that has one agenda, never to allow either of the above any room at the political, economic, cultural, or social table of power, debate, electoral power or legitimate philosophies competing with leftist liberal socialist pacifism. So it should not be odd that the Slimes put a knock on their favorite maverick Republican, McCain. Anybody with any political or common sense knows that no libeal media outlet ever will support a Republican, a conservative, a Christian over and against any liberal, leftist, socialist pacifist Democrat. None. McCain seems stunned ad 'disappointed.' He should be outraged and should tell the public that no one should ever trust a liberal media outlet because they lie, smear and are basically un-American in that they always blame America for the evils of the world. And they always blame Republicans, conservatives, Christians, and anyone on the Right or even Moderate Right for all things evil. For them, evil is not the evil that the Right sees. So McCain should be furious not disappointed. No one can trust the NYTimes. But, apparently McCain did. I hope he learns his lesson.
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Can you imagine this person as President?

   Well , today is President's Day and everyone is debating, smearing, deciding if someone on the national scene could and should be President. A recent Gallup Poll has this dumbed down American public once again pick its best-favorite President. They picked JFK, then Reagan and then Clinton. Can you imagine that holding up in 50 years?  That leaves out Lincoln, Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, even Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman or IKE.   Now when one really looks at the accomplishments of Presidents, I can assure you that Clinton and JFK should not be in the top 20 of our Presidents. It is amazing how ignorant our American public is when one sees this new Poll. As to today, no one can even list 3-4 things that Hillary or Obama have accomplished, a law written, an idea espoused that has benefitted America. Not one. Yet they are scheming to be our Commander in Chief. Amazing isn't it that the only history professor and PHD to ever be President, was Wilson and he is not by any means a favorite of mine. Few Americans can even explain why this is President's day except it is for sales or perhaps a 3-day vacation. McCain was a military guy, a hero but some of his laws passed have been disastrous while others may be OK but nothing for the history books. At least he could be a Commander in Chief. The other two running today, would be jokes. No one would trust, least the military under them.  Big ideas that show democracy, free enterprise, strength, vision just don't exist. Our candidates preach perception, hope, change but there is no beef. Presidents from the past had crises to face and though flawed, did something historically recognized generations from their presidency. We seem to be in an age of pipsqueaks with voters so ignorant that they wouldn't know real issues from TV fads, American Idol, the soaps, their IPODS, or some fantasy book. The last big ideas President that we have had was Reagan. He was also a strong Commander in Chief. I would settle for just a good Commander in Chief in this bunch we have today. At least they might protect our security so we can keep our sovereignty, our freedoms, our Constitution, and our free enterprise opportunities. Maybe!
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Perceptions over Reality

 Religion is in this nominating process and it is not necessarily  a good thing. The reason is that religion is being relegated to PC material. Race is in this process too. Perception of Obama by the media, by international pundits, is such that now we have a charismatic Christ-like creature in Obama and while his issues are not fully explained, he is held to be above the fray; above race and religion. No one really knows whether he is a Christian; his church and pastor are a bit extreme and no one knows if he thinks of himself as black or what? No one knows how he views Isalm either. He talks about no enemies and that he wants a Muslim Summit. He is not angry against people except those who want war against Islamofascism , or what he calls bigots, or conservatives or business. Yet all of these groups seem to be having stars in their eyes and overlook any agenda by Obama. He is winning across many lines, race, religion, sex, economic status.   Obama's people do not want Clinton and might not vote for her if she steals this nomination. The same could be said for Clinton's people. They might not support Obama. But they might.  The perception is that he is a phenomenon , a new Messiah, a different pol, though no one has analysed his stands. He is a tax and spend liberal. He is inexperienced in any international problem. He is unknown but seems loved now. He is even more leftist than Hillary. How will religion and race play out in Nov.?? When  will liberals ask voters to seek Obama because Jesus is his mentor?  We know that will not happen to McCain!!! If Evangelicals do refuse to vote McCain, will they lose their minds and vote for Obama? Or will they stay at home? This race , I believe, will see perceptions win over reality. I see a huge surge across the states for CHANGE at any price. Liberals loved the phrase, PEACE  at any price. Or BETTER RED THAN DEAD.  American institutions are not beloved by the Left. Are there still enough Americans, right, left, middle, who will not give into just utopian perceptions?  Frankly, I don't know anymore.
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Where the heck are we in this nation?

 It is Election day. Wow. It should have been a time of untiy, faith, and inspiration. It is in the Party of socialism and pacifism. As Obama surges, the emotive material being blathered.by this ChristlikeHuey Long 46 yr. old, makes one think of rhetoric which will be flowery but also demogogic. A time of dependence will now be enthroned if Obama wins in Nov. Oh, the Hildabeast will too but she will be a bit more moderate than this guy in the empty suit.  What a change from Reagan. He was for hope but he did something with facts and achievements. He changed America for the better at least as far as being a leader. He started to prop up our federalist system when it was fracturing. He helped our military to be No. 1 again. He cut taxes when all these people today want to punish the productive and support the unproductive. Oh they crow it is for the best of humanity but it is simple pacifistic socialism. No one wants to believe that about Obama or the Billery. But, that is their rhetoric and agenda as they have listed it. Obama can not post one achievement in his career America. Not one.  Obama is appealing now to the losers and incompetents and unproductive in our society. Oh he talks about the middle class, but Dems have rarely done anything for them. That is why Americans even in their fuzzy perceptions, have elected more Pub Presidents since the days of FDR than Dems. Dems portray themselves as the Party of the Poor and the disorganized and females, gays, minorities, labor. Yet they rarely help them except when the control Congress. America will be changed by Obama. That is true. But, it will not be for the best for the American people. Not even those he gives hope and inspiration to. He is Pan; he is Christfaux, he is Huey Long from days of yore. But, he is not good for capitalism, our republican democracy, our Judeo-Christian values nor for our economy, our military nor our future where he will have to face real evil not just bray about change or hope.
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Politically correct on black and female candidates?

Here we are near to Super Tues.  All we hear from conservs and Talk Radio and the bloggers is just how powerful the Obama scenario is and how the Hildabeast is using racism. The outcome of all of that seems to be to give Obama a pass. The more Rush or other Pubs or Talk Radio people dis Billary, the more voters will take a look at Obama as if he is the new JFK and Camelot is near! Frankly I am sick of this. Both Billary and the Empty Suit from Ill. are socialist pacifists. Period. I know people hate Hillary but many females do not. So that in Nov., if she gets the Dem nomination, voting against any female will be not politically correct and people will be shamed into voting for her. This is insane.  Or what if Obama gets the nomination? Will one voting against this inexperienced, dangerous populist with rhetoric but no sensible issues: he now wants to give drivers' licenses to illegals!!!!, be looked at as RACISM? Of course it will. It is time to tell voters that both of these people are dangerous for free enterprise, military issues, national security, tax cuts, Court appointments. And do it with factual quotes on how these two think. If conservs support Obama before Nov. to appear politically correct, that is just insane. And what of Godly views? Can you state for me what Obama's spiritual views are? How bout Hillary's?  Sure, Mitt is a Mormon but his cultural values look more like conservatives and Christians than both Hillary or Obama. Can one see our Courts go so liberal that American will not look like anything we historically have known? I can. The Republicans, Christians, conservatives better stop just bashing Hillary(she deserves it) but they better take a look at how dangerous Obama will be for this nation. It is not his race, it is platform!!
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By default?

  The NYTimes endorsed John McCain. That should be his death knell but common sense among voters is just not there. How can it be when voters now routinely elect socialist pacifists and fill state legislatures and governor posts with liberals of all shades and parties? The GOP has been Reagan's party for years but one wonders nowadays. I believe in electibility, I admit. I want to win and think anytime a liberal wins an election, it hurts all the voters, and the entire nation economically , domestically, culturally, religiously, and militarily. Liberals have been a disaster for this nation since 1932. They now are not even classic liberals like JFK but now are pacifist socialists. All of them. Kennedy, Clinton, Obama, Leahy, Pelosi, Reid. All of them. Yet they are favored to win the Nov. election now by an 18% advantage. Perhaps polls never matter. But, voters with dependence on their minds and not freedom, tax cuts, free enterprise and domestic and international military national security in mind, seem on the rise not the opposite. Conservatives may not vote or so we are told. I hope that is not true but it might be. Mike Reagan today on his townhall blog had a piece on putting Newt up for the brokered Convention nominee. He is brilliant but has so much baggage and his need to be loved by the Clintons might just torpedoe his chances anyway. So here we are. The election is up in the air but it is a very important one. I often wonder how the Creator God looks at these issues. Some Pub purists, one issue voters, say they know. Well with free will around and the fact that President Bush has really destroyed the Republican Party one is just not sure how voters even in the Pub Party will vote. There are issues. But will ISSUES matter to the emotive voters? Perhaps the candidate by the Pubs will be by default. Someone who can stop the socialist pacifists in the Dem Party. But then again, with purists on all sides, who knows? This is confusing. How do you, if you have read this or other blogs think about that?
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Bush in the Mid-East

  I keep wondering why the President is now spending his time in the Middle East in the so called Palestine.  A legacy? More State Dept. and Condi elitist nonsense to punish Israel , our only ally, so that we keep some PALS happy?  Oil? These are the same PALS who hate the USA, kill women and kids, and continue to bomb Israel. This is the group that houses Hamas, Al Queda, Al Aqusa and other Hezbollah type murderers. But, our Prez thinks that there will be a democratic Palestinian state. At what cost? Oh, yeah, peace, peace and peace. And all we will get is war, war, war. Israel has a leader, Olmert, who resembles Quisling of WWII Norway. Where is BIBI when both nations need him?  If Israel disappears, because remember, the Islamofascists have never, never renounced their idea to push them into the Med. Sea, what will Bush have accomplished? A Biblical holocaust that he thinks he is really stopping!?  He knows Iran is a terror state. Does he not think that Palestine with a recognized state-hood will be anything more than just a new state of terrorists??? And just what will Israel have to give up? A divided Jerusalem? The end of the Golan Hgts. advantage? More of its Jordan Valley? And what do these Arab Muslim murderers give up? A pledge not to be bad kids??? Bush has been right on Iran, Iraq and killing Islamofascism. He has been right on tax cuts, SCOTUS picks finally, and sooooo wrong on illegal immigration, so wrong on Meirs, Dubai et al. And boy will he be wrong on this Palestinian plan if Israel disappears from the map. I wonder if this will be anything different if Hillary or Obama win? Will they also go on with this 'peace' plan'? You bet and it will even be quicker and more deadly for Israel. Still, American Jewish voters will go zombie like to vote for the Dems not realizing that Israel will suffer. For 7 years, Israel had the best friend in Bush but now , who knows? And if a Dem wins in Nov., we could see the End Times coming faster than many commentators think.
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How can the Pubs win?

 For spiritually minded people, most prefer the GOP as their Party. There are liberal Christians, Campolo, Wallis et al who prefer the socialists in the Dem Party. But, it is a new day, apparently when the old Dem coalition cannot elect a liberal like Clinton but now prefer the so called Change (toward what?) candidate named Obama. And the Pubs in Ia. picked the Huck.  A populist seemingly un-Reagan kind of guy. But, very religious. So where do Christians, national defense, free enterprise believers, and anti-socialism-pacifist people go in the Pub Party? This is now a real chaotic problem nationally. The Dems will support their nominee. They seem excited to overthrow any last vestiges of Bush-Reagan , tax cuts, military superiority, and want tolerance for everything even if it threatens America and socialism for America even as it fails in Europe and round the globe. Obama is a different breed of cat. He is for nice change without war, without anybody being poor, without any enemies, with no experience, no real plan just nice. Apparently the BLUE states are lapping it up. The RED states are just confused. Will it be Huck, McCain, Fred, Mitt or Rudy. No one really knows yet and anyone saying they know is lying for spin. Debates clear nothing up but do show whether a guy is nice. So far that is the platform of Huck. He is everyman like Obama.  But can he win any Blue state? I will go out on a limb and say NO. OK, who could win for the Pubs. Maybe, just maybe, if he is not blown away on Feb. 5, Rudy might. John might. Fred, we hardly knew you! As to Mitt, I do not think so in at least this version of Mitt. Maybe events will determine the nominees. I do know that with a clean sweep by Democrats, spiritual people, military-national defense people and free enterprise people will face a generation of socialist-pacifism, a leftist SCOTUS and a nation where the old Judeo-Christian values, ethos and Western Civ. heritage will be unknown in 12-20 years.
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